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Brandon Sanderson 2013 Lecture 7: Viewpoint & Tense Overview + Its Importance (2/7)

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Micktrex (1 year ago)
Who is the girl sometimes saying 'yes!' in a hushed, almost at the edge of orgasm voice? Relax woman.
Gurucha (2 years ago)
8:00 Omg that laugh
Levizja per dije (2 years ago)
if i change the viewpoint at every chapter. is it a mistake?
Kannan Chandra (2 years ago)
Many books do that, including Sanderson's books like Warbreaker or the Stormlight books. Almost every chapter has a viewpoint change.
OverNightGaming (3 years ago)
I may have another example to quickly grasp the different perspectives like first person and third. I look at it from the video game angle. So first person is obviously first person so that would be games like CoD, Half Life, Portal, Bioshock, all very different types of story but very effective. Then you have third limited which is the third person camera floating close behind the player character. Like in the Witcher, Assassin's Creed, mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc. Omniscient would be your isometric camera view like in Baldurs Gate, Shadowrun, Wasteland, Divinity Original Sin, Diablo, Star Craft, etc. This camera view allows a view of the set of character and seeing just a little more than the character might be able to like in the third person camera view. I hope that makes sense it's just another idea or tool to approach the subject from.
Kntrytnt (1 year ago)
I know this comment is a year old, but this is how I keep them together. Imagine the narrator is a floating orb that follows the story and tells you what is going on. 1st person (1P) is when the orb floats into the main character's head, and reads off everything they think and say. A great example of this is the Percy Jackson books. "I once watched a tv show that said if you fall at a big enough height into water, it would be like hitting concrete. Splat. I jumped." 3rd person limited (3PL) is when the orb follows one character and reads their mind from behind them, this view tells you what the character is thinking. Most fantasy/fiction is written in this style. "Derick knew this was a bad idea. His arms shook with exhaustion. Crossing a broken suspension bridge was hard enough, but on a broken ankle while carrying his sister's dog made this near impossible. Next quest he was leaving Lycaon at the kennel." 3rd person omniscient (3PO) is the hardest in my opinion. Imagine the orb floating behind a character telling us their thoughts just like in 3rd person limited, but in omniscient the orb can go anywhere it wants. Want to follow the love interest? Pop over there. Want to see what the villain is up to? Fly all the way over there. The key point in 3PO is to remember that just because the narrator and the reader know what's going on, the characters *do not* they are not omniscient. Only the narrator is. "Priscilla slept horribly. The constant fear of attack from Grimmen's minions kept her awake most of the night, then when she finally did fall asleep the nightmares burned in her mind." - "Grimmen paced the magnificent throne room. His bronze capped shoes clinked with every step. "Where are they camped?" He bellowed. His pale hands pulled at his oil slick hair. "I admit, I was amused when they managed to elude my scouts the first time. The second time I was annoyed, but now, now I am **livid**! Find. Them. Now."" -"Priscilla woke with a start, "Get up! We need to leave right now!" She punctuated every word. "Grimmen's beasts are on the move."" -"Priscilla was smart to try to leave immediately. It just did not work. Grimmen's chimeras fell upon them while they were packing. The campers fell like wheat before a scythe. Priscilla managed to escape in the bloodshed, but she regretted it for the rest of her life." - Then you can jump back to either Priscilla running through the woods, or to the other campers fighting, since she would not know what happened. and that's how I keep them apart. Maybe this will help someone. Cheers!
OverNightGaming (3 years ago)
For the first person perspective I really like Mark Lawrence's books, they're fantastic. It reminded me how cool first person can be, because these books we the first in wuite a while that i've read with a first person perspective. Most are third.
ForeverMasterless (4 years ago)
I was listening to this in headphones while working on something and some girl whispered "yes" and it sounded like it was right behind and to the left of me and not at all coming from the video, and it scared the absolute crap out of me.
Fangornmmc (4 years ago)
+Write About Dragons Thanks a bunch for these videos. I do find it entertaining though that you've written: "Viewpoint & Tense Overview + It's Importance" when it should be "its importance."
Scott Ashton (4 years ago)
My 10th grade History teacher would be mortified. Good catch and thanks!
Ash Kor (4 years ago)
One quick question that has started to bug me of late with tenses. Is it a hard rule or can you play around with it? (E.g.) He spun around and drew his sword. Spinning around, he drew his sword. To me the latter sounds better. It conveys a more immediate sense of movement but its still describing a past event. When describing action scenes/movement/attacks, can you play fast and loose or is it better to stick to strict past tense?
Kannan Chandra (2 years ago)
Both those sentences are in the past. Past tense doesn't mean every word uses the past form. It just means the actions being conveyed occurred in the past. The word "spinning" in the second sentence just implies that it happened around the same time as the drawing of the sword. I'm not sure if this is the exact name, but it seems similar to past continuous. For example, "he was running" is not present tense. The "ing" form of a verb does not imply a tense. If there is a "ing" verb in the sentence, there will always be another verb that is the actual active verb. In your sentence, that verb is "drew". In my sentence, that verb is "was".
Ash Kor (4 years ago)
+Ela Hora My parents messed me up by making me learn two languages at the same time as a wee kid so uncertainty is my friend when it comes to nailing down the details. To me it means the same thing in the flow of action. First he spins around, then he draws his sword. Otherwise I would have wrote: He spun around as he drew his sword. He drew his sword while spinning around. Maybe this makes it clearer. If I'm right about it anyway. He spun around, drew his sword and lunged. Spinning around, he drew his sword and lunged. Probably just making mountains out of molehills.
Ela Hora (4 years ago)
+Ash Kor But isn't the latter something like past continuous? As in 'While he was spinning around, he drew his sword'. The first one means that the spinning had stopped and then he drew the sword. So these two sentences describe a two different scenes to me. (I'm not a native speaker though so my intuition might be wrong)
Octavio Fernández (4 years ago)
It happens to my that, when I read The Name of the Wind/Wise Man's Fear, I imagine the young Kvothe telling the story, and not the old one.
Alcathous (5 years ago)
The Iliad is so good. We get the thoughts of all the characters and the gods, the narrator actually tells us what the muses told him and he even addresses the characters at special points for increased tension. Fitzgerald is my favorite translation btw.
D Bones (5 years ago)
3rd Limited is hard. 1 viewpoint per scene with their lens. What about three characters in a  room? Should it only be the main character's head?
OverNightGaming (3 years ago)
+D Bones In a way yes, you need to pick the character you're telling the story from. Especially in a single scene. You can obviously tell the story from different perspectives, as in characters, but usually you put in a break (like a paragraph or chapter) to switch between the character. I highly recommend checking out Joe abercrombie's books he is excellent at this.
Bob Schroeder (5 years ago)
One example of a book that has a first person storyteller would be "Wuthering Heights"
goldenalchemist (5 years ago)
For reference of fellow non-Americans - when Brandon says "Pound Sign" he means a hash/number sign. It's kind of hard to see what he draws on the board.

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